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Monday, December 26th 2011, 5:41am

Removal of unused Pootle languages

Hi Everyone,
As discussed in a couple of the global LTI Saturday meetings, we're going to be removing any Pootle languages that have not been touched since they were requested and added. I suspect there may be one or two members with intention to start something in there soon under one or more of these, so I'd like to handle this by first listing the languages here within this post to see if anyone wants a 'hold' put on one or more of the removals. Below this post, I will create another post showing additional languages that have not had any 'love' given to them over "a period of time" to also see if they should also be put away until we have someone to focus on the projects within them. At issue here is the fact that each installed language (with all of the projects then added to them) demands a certain amount of resources from the Pootle server, but they are just wasting those resources when they have no activity.

If you or someone you know has intention to begin efforts within any of these languages, please let me know as soon as possible so that language can be removed from the list and support for it will continue. I'll give it a week before removing any that remain. Of course, any of these removed languages will be re-enabled the moment anyone requests them again. ^^

Here is the list of language sections with zero activity since the installation of this Pootle 2.x server about a year ago.
- languages marked with * contain some old translations from the long-gone Pootle 1.x server.


Armenian
Assamese
Azerbaijani*
Belarusian*
Cebuano*
Esperanto*
Faroese
Kannada*
Khmer*
Kurdish*
Malay*
Malayalam - Coordinator: Rishi
Maltese
Panjabi; Punjabi* - Coordinator: Tarendeep Singh
Pedi; Sepedi; Northern Sotho*
Sindhi
Sinhala; Sinhalese
Sotho, Southern*
Tagalog - Coordinator: Manny Pica
Tajik
Tamil - Coordinator: Abel Sudha
Tatar
Tibetan
Tswana
Urdu* - Coordinator: Ryan, Salman Ghumman
Venda
Vietnamese*
Wolof
Xhosa
Zulu* - Coordinator: Ryan G
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Monday, December 26th 2011, 5:46am

And here are the additional languages that have not seen any activity within a given period of time. Note that all of these have translations that were created AFTER Pootle 2.x was installed on our current server. This indicates that whomever was working within these language sections of Pootle has since turned their attention elsewhere.

Again, if there is anyone intending on becoming active again within these languages, please let me know as soon as possible so that language can be dropped from this removal process.

- These language sections have been inactive for over 6 months
Catalan; Valencian
Finnish
Gujarati
Icelandic
Indonesian
Papiamento

- These language sections have been inactive for over 3 months
Afrikaans
Albanian
Bengali
Hebrew
Hungarian
Macedonian
Mongolian
Nepali
Polish
Russian
Slovenian
Telugu

- These language sections have been inactive for over 1 month.
Bosnian
Chinese (Taiwan)
Korean
Montenegrin (Slavic)
Romanian
Swahili
Thai
Ukrainian
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Monday, December 26th 2011, 12:36pm

Russian language can be removed as the team adopted different translation system for its needs: notabenoid.com where all the projects are handled.
Free the resources ;-)

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Saturday, January 7th 2012, 2:57am

Is the Russian Team also using Notebenoid for Pootle's text-based projects?
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Is the Russian Team also using Notebenoid for Pootle's text-based projects?

No, Ray. Notabenoid incorporates all the projects Rus Team is working on, including text-based. So, you can completely demolish it out of Pootle. :diablo:

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Sunday, January 15th 2012, 4:39am

Ok.
We still need to brainstorm on a couple of things

1. Set up a system to get the materials to the Russian Team so that you know you are working with the latest versions of those items.
2. Work out how to best serve the Ukrainian Language volunteers (I'm aware that Notebenoid does not support Ukrainian, so many of them have been helping with Russian translations, but that does nothing to help Ukrainian people who cannot speak or read Russian or English)
3. Maybe some other things that I can't think of at the moment, but might come up in such a discussion
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Friday, January 20th 2012, 9:06am

Hi Ray, as to the points above:

1. Notabenoid is very convenient for uploading both subtitles and text material from any source. We tend to use only final proofread material by LTI English Department.

2. That is true that some translators from Ukraine volunteer to help with translations as the majority of people in the country understand Russian perfectly. Taking into account somel Ukraine people which for political or personal issues can't understand Russian, it would be helpful to establish the translations platform for them if needed. So far, has there been any work done in Ukrainian or have you heard of volunteers ready to work in Pootle or other source?

3. I remember you mentioned that Pootle facilitates an easy upload of texts to final destination, e.g. the Venus Project website. In this case the guys are very confident to import the ready material to the website manually. They are trained a lot better than Chuck Norris. :)

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Sunday, February 5th 2012, 10:39am

Sorry for the late response.

1. We can make your exporting of Pootle projects much easier by passing you the original format that we use to create the PO files. You only need to ask for them when the team is ready to move into a given project.

2. There are currently two Ukrainian translators registered within Pootle. One of them has not returned since creating his account and the other seems to have worked on a couple of projects for about a month before giving up. The problem there is that there is no one handling coordination of the Ukrainian Team, so these folks don't have much of a chance to even learn of each other. Of course, that's one of the stronger purposes of the LingTeam forum, LTI Facebook, etc., but they don't learn about those kinds of resources without someone to 'show them around the place'. So, I'd like to start by focusing on finding a native Ukraine speaker who might enjoy the challenge of learning the system and building a true Ukrainian Language Team. Of course, they will have all the support we can possibly contribute to the challenge. Any thoughts on this?

3. Pootle handles the conversions from PO to the original format used to create those PO files. So, if we start with HTML, for example, Pootle extracts the translatable text and hides (most, if not all of) the HTML tags from the translators while they do their thing. When the project has been competed, Pootle then converts the now-translated PO files back into HTML, returning all of that HTML to its rightful place within the translated text. The result is a single file that only needs to be uploaded into the website to which it belongs.

Considering the significant automation of that task, I always try to warn teams that prefer to work externally to Pootle that the translations will need to be Pasted into Pootle before we can do anything with it. In other words, for nearly anything other than the simplest of formatting, the correct HTML must be there or the site cannot render it properly. To make it even more of a challenge, all of the sites we currently have 'open' in Pootle use Joomla, which often has plug-in codes mixed within the page contents (Paypal buttons, module output calls, component data calls, special formatting, etc.). Those plug-in tags must also be where they belong or the page will not be able to function properly.

So, if the Russian HTML Ninjas still want to bypass Pootle at the end of a website project, they absolutely MUST begin with a known-good copy of the original HTML files from which they can work to reintegrate the translated text with the proper HTML. ^^
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Tuesday, February 7th 2012, 1:08pm

Hi Ray,
After re-thinking all over again and taking into consideration skype conversations on some of the issues, here is the final response from the Russian team.

1. Agreed on requesting the original HTML files or other requisites for any specific project. At present, such project is TVP site our team is currently working on. And to cover the point no. 3, I can assure you, Russian blokes that dealing with uploading the complete material, would be as accurate as clockwork. They are pretty sure about this. :kewl:

2. There's about 3 or 4 Ukrainian translators appeared recently which have just formed into a group out of TBTMCB volunteers. Their main area of concern is new TVP Magazine. Cannot tell you what translation system and other tools they are using or going to use. Probably they are still at decision stage themselves. I gave your contacts, Ray, to the organiser of this group and will PM you his name that it is not a much surprise for you when he is ready to contact you. Although, it is not for certain if they ever will. As I pointed out, the group has only evolved and it is up to their members to work independently or join the LTI. The latter was strongly recommended for these new folks. ;)

As for Pootle, once again Russian team would like to confirm the removal of Russian from its resources.

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Tuesday, May 29th 2012, 8:36am

Removed, after saving the contact info of those who once asked to work on those languages but never did. These are all languages where no activity ever occurred.

Azerbaijani
Esperanto
Burmese; Myanmar
Cebuano
Kannada
Khmer
Kurdish
Panjabi; Punjabi
Pedi; Sepedi; Northern Sotho
Southern Sotho
Swahili
Vietnamese

We now have 60 supported languages there, although there are still several with zero activity since Pootle 2.x was installed and several with activity that ended a while ago, but after the install.
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