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Thursday, January 19th 2012, 8:02am

Proposal needs Feedback - LTI Teamspeak

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I need everyone's collective thoughts on how LTI feels about having its own Teamspeak Voice-Chat server.

This would provide us with a fully 'LingTeam' environment for all team meetings, vocalized proofreading sessions, new member introductions, etc., while also silencing any remaining noisemakers claiming that we are playing favorites or intentionally excluding members who simply do not feel comfortable participating on the TZM TS3 server. This seems to be a much cleaner solution than attempting to bounce back & forth between TZM & TVP's servers every other week, especially since it will also provide us with an environment that is 'Dedicated to all things Linguistic'. :cowpoke:


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Thursday, January 19th 2012, 9:18am

My thought is that I don't see this need. In my opinion using another server will create more division and could easily lead to confusion. I guess I'd have more chances to meet people willing to help the team if we keep using the actual server. Are there so many of us in the Ling. team that we need a new server? No!
Moreover I feel it's not needed to silence those voices that make noise, it can be more effective just to ignore them. Having a new server could even rise more noise, couldn't it? and be of example for other teams to create their own, so we're gonna cause more split up. I agree with what said lately by the other guys, of the French team (during the meeting) and Portuguese team (in skype), about this idea. But at this point we should really think what it's more productive for us, no matter what the other say! otherwise, we won't move forward if we keep being distracted by disturbers that do not understand our work and how much effort it asks to get in touch with everyone in the team :)

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Thursday, January 19th 2012, 10:25am

I think it's a good idea to have our own server.
I think it's a dreadful shame that we need it but, unfortunately, due to the way some people are behaving and the bad feeling and worries they are spreading, I think it will help remove some of the doubts floating around now. Please note everyone that the misunderstandings come from both organizations.
I have a feeling that those who don't see the need for approaching the topic of which server we use and directly criticise the idea, are precisely TZM members. I would ask them to think what their ideas would be now if we had started having the meetings on a TVP server from the start. We didn't as the LTI was born before the upheaval and the question didn't arise, but imagine if the circumstances were the other way round. As things stand the TVP members who are uncomfortable with visiting the TZM server miss out on particpating in the meetings. If it's no big thing to the TZM members, why not simply come along to the TVP server? This isn't about giving in to whims or caprices, this is about understanding the other's point of view. The coordinators should be the ones to be helping the idea of true sharing and collaboration. If you think the other side is mistaken, don't just put your foot down and say "no". Show how uneccessary the worries are by coming into TVP TS as comfortably as you do the TZM one.
We have made all the tools we use neutral so that links and tools reflect LTI instead of TZM or TVP, why not the server too? Diana says "I guess I'd have more chances to meet people willing to help the team if we keep using the actual server. " but, you could be missing out on TVP helpers by staying on the TZM server alone. I don't see it as a question of how many people we have in the team either.
I see this as a question that goes deeper than just working on one server or another, I see this as almost a show of just how truly neutrally some are working in the team. What our leanings are outside the team is irrelevant and our own business. What happens within the team should not be affected by that and we should view all aspects of our work as though we had no leanings either to one org or another. If we can do that, it becomes plain that alternating between servers shouldn't even be an issue to start with and so should give us no reason to insist we stay where we are.
I also think that we should use the scientific method and experiment with using both servers, no?
Sooooo anywayyy, as I am pretty sure some are still going to dig their heels in and say no to alternating weeks between the servers, the best solution as I see it is to have our own.
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Thursday, January 19th 2012, 11:05am

I don't see it as a question of how many people we have in the team either.
Instead I see a question of numbers, because using a new server we're going to work on an empty server shouting down communications with others.
I use the zm teamspeak server often and I see a few people of the ling. team, but at least we can make contacts with other people.
This issue should be solved between the vp and the zm once for all - with the help of the ling. team, not through ling. team!
Why don't we propose to use one server for the whole RBE community? ^^

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Thursday, January 19th 2012, 11:35am

I'm all in brother! I'll finally be able to take off my slippers cause I'll be at home, and show you my hairy stinky feet in the process.

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Thursday, January 19th 2012, 11:40am

ehm ... What are you doing, Bruno?!

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Thursday, January 19th 2012, 12:14pm

I think we should hang out more in both TZM and TVP servers (some of us already do) and invite the persons directly to our meeting. It is just at TZMs server because that is where we started and we can welcome them and even attract new folks with this approach.
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Thursday, January 19th 2012, 3:28pm

I personally never connect to either servers outside of planned events because I don't feel comfortable answering questions about those 2 movements, whose progress I don't track. I don't participate in any group within those structures. I'm an LTI specialist and that's the context within which I want to interact with people. I would love for us to have a server of our own because I would know upon connecting that I'd find people that I want to interact with over there. In other words, I think that the noise would be filtered naturally because it would be OUR noise.

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Friday, January 20th 2012, 1:12am

I'm actually leaning toward two possible solutions. The idea of a proprietary server sounds good, but I agree with the people that says that it could appear as more divisive and left out possible contributors or even people that approaches the TS servers to find out more about both movements. I don't really mind answering "real"questions, but sometimes (and Sue and myself have had the experience) there are really annoying people around that interrupts the work in progress without much explanation. So my feelings are divided when it comes to a separate server. On the other hand, today I was for the first time at the TVP TS server and noticed that is much more moderated (maybe too much) than the TZM server. You even need permission to talk or move from one channel to another. Maybe as a Linguistic Team we could choose to stay permanently in one of the servers, if the original idea is eventually dismissed, and for the sake of quietness, maybe TVP would be the best choice. What I wouldn't want to see is more reasons to talk about division -something that shouldn't have happened in the first place. The differences between both movements are just strategic and short term; the final objective still appears to be the same. Anyway, I will support any decision that is taken, since we are suppose to work as a democracy... right?
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Friday, January 20th 2012, 9:30am

Personally, I don't feel any separation as the goal is the same for both organisations. It is sad what happened between the prominent figures of both fronts, but we should be above and beyond that noise. :kewl:

The idea of independent server is attractive, but brings about the concerns of possible miss out on potential volunteers. In addition, if clear instructions in place with proper links from both TVP and TZM servers, there's an extra effort to maintain the new server. So, the question is more of a technical issue and not of a whim to be associated with one or another.

I'd visit TVP server for Jacque seminars and for LTI meetings no bother, even though it doesn't happen that often for me. :tonguer:

Whatever decision is taken in the end, less as possible hustle for person/s maintaining the server should be guaranteed. The opinions are good and plenty, but it is more efficient to weight the proposition using scientific approach. ;)

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Saturday, January 21st 2012, 12:22pm

I love the points of view here. :)

Ok... about the idea of creating a new server and possible miss out potencial volunteers:
- Do you guys know many people who found us on TeamSpeak and then become volunteers?

I'm not sure if that is the case of many people. In my experience, I get more volunteers when a promote LTI on Facebook or the TZM brazilian website.

So... Based on the experience we have, losing potencial volunteers on TeamSpeak is really a issue we have to worry about?

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Saturday, January 21st 2012, 12:48pm

In 6 moths with LTI I haven't visited TVP TS server. And now I am not competent to argue about differences among these servers. But as a RBE information distributor (not like only passively offering translated or not translated info material, but also, minely in this point on whitch I am elaborating, as a face-to-face info giver, lets say translater of paradigm and new kind of logical category offerer) I understand from conversation, that LTI server would mean for new RBE information interesents another server to visit, instead as a great opportunity of collaboration with potential language team members. Reason of this thinking is for now my trivial (maby even too trivial) observation of Latvian societies information absorbation about RBE, which is at first comeing through Zeitgeist movies and TZM, whitch further leads them to lack of native language information basis and finaly to LatvianLingTeam. Though only the couregous trys to communicate, but not about translation of a material, but only as a translation of an idea. But this is only just one BUT! And I am not quite sure if this is an argument for keeping not seperate servers insted of getting more qualitative LTI society voluntarism [read: hard work] around us. But again there is a question what kind of parametrs should we fallow to talk about quality (for example, resource quantity or ever evolving methodology to reach first one). And in fact at the moment how high aims LTI is ready to reach or trying to reach (for example, magazine "Gradina", I realy don't know how huge it is, but sounds impresive! ;D)?! Question of 'are, can, need, must' limits/non-limits or just doing (I guess last is non-scientific at all but more like human aspect). ;]

For now I will pose within these questions. It means, that for me this question is still open (I guess because I am [read: my experiance/effort] still realy young in this). ;]


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Saturday, January 21st 2012, 1:04pm

- Do you guys know many people who found us on TeamSpeak and then become volunteers?
Don't know but getting closer with knowing each other and only when I am encourageing interesents to participate actively in different TS conversations of theyr interests (RBE = TZM, TVP), so interesents could have a participation feeling (environmental programming? no place for free will? hmm.. nope! as true as a holistic view of explicit encouragement we will have, I guess we could manage not only potential voluntiering issue). And as I was mentioning before this is irelevant question to actual language team participation, this is only I guess question about answering to interesents in no direct LTI interests level. So I am guessing this splitting may be a level up of LTI profesionalism after all. ;D

Notice that for me lose/gain question is situated only in guessing mode (lack of bigger xp).
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Saturday, January 21st 2012, 5:55pm

Let's get united and meet new friends

Hi everyone.
I mostly agree with Diana. Further more I see that if we meet one time in TZM and the other one in TVP, that would be a good occasion to meet new people and new friends.
We are volunteers helping both, so what's the real matter? Helping to move forward or create mental speculation?
Maybe I'm just too new here to know what's all behind! Knowing nothing I don't see any worth for a new server.
Let's get united and meet new friends. One team helping TZM TVP in their own server. So simple! :bighug:

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Sunday, January 22nd 2012, 11:58pm

First, thank you to all who have responded to this proposition so far. I hope this continues to attract a lot more members into this discussion before a final decision needs to be made.


At this point in my RBE Community life, my tendency is to outright reject any expectations that appear in my head ( spontaneously or suggested ), but only when I recognize them. :D

Having said that, I would like to ask everyone thinking about responding to consider not what possible damage they might 'expect' a LTI-specific voice chat server would cause, but instead, ask yourself what possible opportunities it could be made to bring to the Linguistic Team, as well as to the overall and exponentially growing RBE Community itself. I certainly don't wish to exert influence over anyone's thinking here, but I do feel strongly that discussions concerned with how a very small minority of 'us vs. them' fanatics 'might' feel about it severely clouds intelligent Possibility Thinking about what we might be able to accomplish with such a resource. As an example, imagine us trying to set up something up in either of the TZM or TVP Teamspeak servers like a Linguistic Learning Center, where people can come in and learn or improve their communicative skills in a second or third language. Now THAT would cause some serious division and accusations of favoritism, and I don't envision us being able to handle running such a feature across two servers.

There is a lot more Future ahead of us then there is Past behind us. I'm just trying to continually look ahead. ^^
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