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Monday, October 29th 2012, 1:16am

Joe Alexopoulos - A Mad Economy

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"and appreciate the tenets and principles of a Resource-Based Economy,
you will see that we can turn it around and we can start moving forwards
instead of the other way, backwards."


What does backwards means? Or more like twisted? Or retarded, late, behind? Or something else?

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Monday, October 29th 2012, 1:18am

What about the meaning for venerated: "But after it's made fun of, and it's venerated and hated," around 5:25
He is talking about every truth going through 3 phases. "Venerated" in the translation suggested and most common sense of it, means adored, or at least it has a very positive sense. So I wonder if it can mean "considered"?
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Monday, October 29th 2012, 5:34pm

My best guess for "backwards" is - to regress. Unless there is something else (other concept of "backwards") he ties this expression with that he's talked about previously in the presentation.

As for "venerated", yeah, it doesn't seem right there. Perhaps a verbal mistake?

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Monday, October 29th 2012, 8:15pm

Yes,. it was a mistake. I live very close to Joe and so thought I could find him with ease, which i did, :) and spoke with him. I will post what he said regarding the 2 points nomada was questioning, and also gave his contact info to nomada. :)

He just misspoke on both accounts.

Re: "venerated" he meant to say either "vehemently" or "violently" opposed -- Following is the quote that Joe sent me, which he was referring to, (and intending to quote):


All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

—Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 – 1860)


and regarding "...We go around that." He meant to say: "We dont go around that." He cued up the video and listened to both places with me on the phone. He didn't know he had misspoken; it was only the first time he gave that talk!..:) (and a tuff audience, too: USC!) :)


and I agree with Lizardman regarding backwards: to regress. Rather than moving forwards we go back from where we came. Rather than progression: regression. But I did not ask Joe about this one 'cause I did not see it before I found him. (Besides, I thought nomada would contact him, I just wanted to be sure I had the correct info before sending it on!) :)










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Monday, October 29th 2012, 10:39pm

Great Ramona!! what a big help!! And nothing better tan having Joe himself helping hehe.

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Tuesday, October 30th 2012, 4:51pm

Yes, to go backward means to regress. "Front" and "back" are antonyms, to move towards the front is to go "fore-ward" or forward, and to move towards the back or rear, ie to regress, is to go "back-ward" or backward. Hope this helps.

Re- venerated, since Joe has personalty corrected himself, perhaps change:
"But after it's made fun of, and it's venerated and hated,"

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"But after it's made fun of, and it's [vilified] and hated,"

Vilified means to be made a villain, which IMO is a good substitute word for what Joe meant. It makes the same point as ' "vehemently" or "violently" opposed' but does so in a single word so the viewer's distraction is kept to a minimum. Plus it starts with a 'V'. ;)

Agreed on all other points, you're good. And yes it is a rare treat to actually touch base with the actual speaker.
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Tuesday, October 30th 2012, 6:19pm

Really good, Mr. B. :)!...

(And p.s. I asked Joe specifically about what you'd said about "both camps", being loved and hated at the same time for a while, or whatever, when I spoke with him, 'cause what you came up with, I thought, may have made great sense, too..:). But he confirmed that he'd misspoken after all, like posted, so I didn't mention it in the post :).)

(And p.s.s. nice to meet you. :))

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Tuesday, October 30th 2012, 9:22pm

Cool, it's all good.

Hey- maybe since you are in touch with Joe ask him is he is OK with my suggested word 'vilified' as a substitute here.
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Tuesday, October 30th 2012, 10:46pm

Hi! : )
I applied the changes. Added the "don't" to "The sun isn't the center. We don't go around that." and substituted "venerated" for "violently opposed", until, in case, Joe says something about "vilified". Being based on a quote... for now. What do you think?

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Tuesday, October 30th 2012, 11:14pm

Cool with me, whatever, either way. This is just a tiny piece of lint on an otherwise excellent talk.
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Monday, November 5th 2012, 12:27am

Lol...I didn't see these. I'll send Joe an email about vilified if 'you guys' want, but he did tell me that he totally trusted our judgement as a team and to go ahead and exercise it. He had used the terms "vehemently" or "violently" opposed' on the phone to me but the idea of vilify being one V-word, I thought was pretty good! :). I'll let you know what he says when he responds. :)

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Monday, November 5th 2012, 10:52pm

I haven't emailed Joe, yet about substituting vilify 'cause I was thinking: Since he gave us the Ok to make judgement calls on the video, and since he didn't actually say the entire quote anyway, just sort of paraphrased it, we could change it to vilify easily. It 'does the trick' for the intention and is 'nice and clean' to boot. What do you think?

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Monday, November 5th 2012, 10:58pm

Agreed on all points. Enough "analysis paralysis" on this, it's only a single word out of thousands in the SRT. :) I think Joe will be pleased when he eventually sees the result.
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Monday, November 5th 2012, 11:05pm

Awesome. :)

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Monday, December 10th 2012, 7:00pm

Just for the sake of 'reporting' ...:) I have been in touch with Joe, and so mentioned to him about the change from 'violently or vehemently opposed' (from his 'venerated' error) to 'vilify', and he thinks it was a very smart idea, too, and was totally happy with our decision. Just wanted to pass this on. :) Hope everyone's having a good day. :)

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